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		By: lorrainecaputo		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Robert, it’s always the sign of a good piece like yours when it stimulates readers to think of other elaborations on the theme. I know we’ve never met and I would like to someday when we’re in some kind of normal place again. How long have you been teaching at the Institute?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert, it’s always the sign of a good piece like yours when it stimulates readers to think of other elaborations on the theme. I know we’ve never met and I would like to someday when we’re in some kind of normal place again. How long have you been teaching at the Institute?</p>
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		By: Robert		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jan 2022 18:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lorraine hi. Thank you for such a kind and thoughtful response. When I look back at the piece I think of all the things I didn’t succeed in saying but you managed to pull out the better sides and I really appreciate that. Thanks again for taking time to comment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lorraine hi. Thank you for such a kind and thoughtful response. When I look back at the piece I think of all the things I didn’t succeed in saying but you managed to pull out the better sides and I really appreciate that. Thanks again for taking time to comment.</p>
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		By: Lorraine Caputo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lorraine Caputo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jan 2022 17:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Robert,
Thank you for this thoughtful and lovely blog.  I think kindness is very relevant to our work, especially now in light of the quarantine and the fears our patients have brought to their sessions in relation to the pandemic. And, as you point out, in light of the polarization between groups of people with different beliefs.   While Ferenczi may not have used the word kindness (although he may have) in his writings, he did use the word tenderness, and urged therapists to be open and authentic with their patients and to admit their mistakes.  He felt that the distant analyst, who relied only on interpretation, recreated the enactment of early childhood traumatic experience for patients.  It would seem to me that kindness has a role in not re-traumatizing our patients.
Thank you again for sharing your thoughts on kindness.
Lorraine]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert,<br />
Thank you for this thoughtful and lovely blog.  I think kindness is very relevant to our work, especially now in light of the quarantine and the fears our patients have brought to their sessions in relation to the pandemic. And, as you point out, in light of the polarization between groups of people with different beliefs.   While Ferenczi may not have used the word kindness (although he may have) in his writings, he did use the word tenderness, and urged therapists to be open and authentic with their patients and to admit their mistakes.  He felt that the distant analyst, who relied only on interpretation, recreated the enactment of early childhood traumatic experience for patients.  It would seem to me that kindness has a role in not re-traumatizing our patients.<br />
Thank you again for sharing your thoughts on kindness.<br />
Lorraine</p>
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		By: Robert		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jan 2022 21:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://manhattanpsychoanalysis.com/blog-post/kindness-and-the-depersonalized-i-in-psychoanalysis/#comment-25367&quot;&gt;Debby Worth&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you for the comment Debby. I agree that love is used so much more. It sounds more complicated to me for some reason than kindness but yes, I think they point to something similar. I just read a lovely sentence from an Israeli author that encouraged me which said: “you can’t point out a star to someone without putting the other hand on his shoulder”.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://manhattanpsychoanalysis.com/blog-post/kindness-and-the-depersonalized-i-in-psychoanalysis/#comment-25367">Debby Worth</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you for the comment Debby. I agree that love is used so much more. It sounds more complicated to me for some reason than kindness but yes, I think they point to something similar. I just read a lovely sentence from an Israeli author that encouraged me which said: “you can’t point out a star to someone without putting the other hand on his shoulder”.</p>
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		By: Debby Worth		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Debby Worth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jan 2022 20:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Robert, I think your call for kindness is a really important one, both for psychoanalysis and for the world at large these days. I agree that part of the reason the word has so little air time in psychoanalytic literature is that it often is confused with what you call &quot;softness or surface-level inauthenticity,&quot; and what most people outside our field might call &quot;niceness.&quot; Being &quot;nice&quot; is frowned upon in our discipline; we often criticize novice therapists for trying to be too nice to patients in order to avoid conflict. But kindness, as you so eloquently describe, doesn&#039;t have as its goal a lack of conflict or a focus on superficiality. Verbalizing that distinction seems important, and I very much appreciate your having made it. It&#039;s also interesting to note that the word &quot;love&quot; is used much more than the word &quot;kindness&quot; in analytic literature. I wonder what that, in and of itself, may say about us.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert, I think your call for kindness is a really important one, both for psychoanalysis and for the world at large these days. I agree that part of the reason the word has so little air time in psychoanalytic literature is that it often is confused with what you call &#8220;softness or surface-level inauthenticity,&#8221; and what most people outside our field might call &#8220;niceness.&#8221; Being &#8220;nice&#8221; is frowned upon in our discipline; we often criticize novice therapists for trying to be too nice to patients in order to avoid conflict. But kindness, as you so eloquently describe, doesn&#8217;t have as its goal a lack of conflict or a focus on superficiality. Verbalizing that distinction seems important, and I very much appreciate your having made it. It&#8217;s also interesting to note that the word &#8220;love&#8221; is used much more than the word &#8220;kindness&#8221; in analytic literature. I wonder what that, in and of itself, may say about us.</p>
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		By: Robert		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jan 2022 14:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://manhattanpsychoanalysis.com/blog-post/kindness-and-the-depersonalized-i-in-psychoanalysis/#comment-25364&quot;&gt;Justine Duhr&lt;/a&gt;.

I think that what I refer to as a perceived “lack of kindness” has many levels, some of which are intuitive, some purely of poetic license and another that I think is factual. 
The factual part is the limited use of the word kindness in psychoanalysis. I think that the word itself and the attitude it points to carries some usefulness in our daily work. We don’t talk about it enough as a concept to think about in my opinion. We talk about empathy, we talk about curiosity, we talk about transference and countertransference feelings of various kinds and get very specific about those. 
But kindness doesn’t appear too often in our work as a feeling we speak as we wonder about what we do with people.  Kindness is also something we don’t talk about as a goal for therapy. As in “to help the patient be kinder to him/herself and to others”. I think that is interesting. Psychoanalysis has always implicitly held the goal of making the “patient” more accepting of his/her unconscious attitudes. These unconscious attitudes are mostly the rejected parts of the personality. I think that kindness towards these parts of us are in accord with this goal. I find it a gentle word with a lot of potential to heal fractures. 
Kindness is also “sorely” lacking in our culture today in general. Republicans cannot speak to Democrats, Self psychologists can’t speak to Interpersonalists and no one wants to speak to Freudians. We talk about “cancel culture”. We are more interested in being right than kind. I’m wondering whether kindness as a concept to work with and towards could help us out. A simple and I think useful question to add to the many we already do ask is “are we being kind when we do our jobs as analysts?” Many might say yes. Many might say it’s irrelevant to the work. That’s fine by me. 
Im playing with the idea that kindness can help orient some of us when we seem mired in a bad impasse or enactment and help realign us. 
For those that believe it is just there in our work naturally by being “analysts” and that it is “up to the patient to feel or not feel” I respectfully disagree.
The concept of being kind as I see it and am playing with here is close to working as one would with a cherished and loved friend. I wonder about its potential for advancing the relationship between the participants and between the many sides of our own selves.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://manhattanpsychoanalysis.com/blog-post/kindness-and-the-depersonalized-i-in-psychoanalysis/#comment-25364">Justine Duhr</a>.</p>
<p>I think that what I refer to as a perceived “lack of kindness” has many levels, some of which are intuitive, some purely of poetic license and another that I think is factual.<br />
The factual part is the limited use of the word kindness in psychoanalysis. I think that the word itself and the attitude it points to carries some usefulness in our daily work. We don’t talk about it enough as a concept to think about in my opinion. We talk about empathy, we talk about curiosity, we talk about transference and countertransference feelings of various kinds and get very specific about those.<br />
But kindness doesn’t appear too often in our work as a feeling we speak as we wonder about what we do with people.  Kindness is also something we don’t talk about as a goal for therapy. As in “to help the patient be kinder to him/herself and to others”. I think that is interesting. Psychoanalysis has always implicitly held the goal of making the “patient” more accepting of his/her unconscious attitudes. These unconscious attitudes are mostly the rejected parts of the personality. I think that kindness towards these parts of us are in accord with this goal. I find it a gentle word with a lot of potential to heal fractures.<br />
Kindness is also “sorely” lacking in our culture today in general. Republicans cannot speak to Democrats, Self psychologists can’t speak to Interpersonalists and no one wants to speak to Freudians. We talk about “cancel culture”. We are more interested in being right than kind. I’m wondering whether kindness as a concept to work with and towards could help us out. A simple and I think useful question to add to the many we already do ask is “are we being kind when we do our jobs as analysts?” Many might say yes. Many might say it’s irrelevant to the work. That’s fine by me.<br />
Im playing with the idea that kindness can help orient some of us when we seem mired in a bad impasse or enactment and help realign us.<br />
For those that believe it is just there in our work naturally by being “analysts” and that it is “up to the patient to feel or not feel” I respectfully disagree.<br />
The concept of being kind as I see it and am playing with here is close to working as one would with a cherished and loved friend. I wonder about its potential for advancing the relationship between the participants and between the many sides of our own selves.</p>
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		By: Justine Duhr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Justine Duhr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2022 18:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for this thought-provoking post. I’m curious as to how you feel that “kindness has been sorely lacking in our psychoanalytic language” apart from pathologizing diagnosis? It seems to me that interpretation as an intervention has the potential to be kind, to feel kind, depending on how it&#039;s delivered and experienced by the patient and enacted in the dynamic, perhaps even regardless of content. So that the mutative factor is not what you say, but how you say it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this thought-provoking post. I’m curious as to how you feel that “kindness has been sorely lacking in our psychoanalytic language” apart from pathologizing diagnosis? It seems to me that interpretation as an intervention has the potential to be kind, to feel kind, depending on how it&#8217;s delivered and experienced by the patient and enacted in the dynamic, perhaps even regardless of content. So that the mutative factor is not what you say, but how you say it.</p>
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